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The Ratings Game 23 Feb 2005 12:47 #29752

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Here some the questions we asked and answered on the issue of film rating.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:05 #29753

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1.With all the controversey about our industry marketing adult material to underage kids, I have adopted the policy of showing trailers for R rated movies only on R rated films.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:07 #29754

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2. Blackwell should be commended for there decision. Although I think that is one of many possible solutions. Closer monitoring of the different screens are needed also. Because lets face it; kids do sneak in to other movies. More stingent measures at the ticket takers window and not allowing under age children into the 'R' rated movies even if they are with an adult.
Its true that the movie industry, those who produce the movies we watch have work to do on the rating system but we as movie house owners must do our part as well. While we may upset some of our patrons, we must think of the betterment of the whole.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:08 #29755

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3. Oh God! Are we back on ratings? When Mom and Dad stop renting stacks of R rated videos for their kids I'll increase my police work on behalf of a disinterested populace. When television gets less R in general I'll become the nation's ever vigilant watch dog. When cable takes off all the R stuff I'll hold the line of our childrens morals. Until then: why me? Until then: I'll use my judgement.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:10 #29756

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4. The ratings don't need to be changed.
The way the ratings are enforced don't need to be changed.

The way films get rated needs to change.

Don't ask me how.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:11 #29757

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5. The rating system is that frigile wall that seperates us from government censorship. It may be a pain to monitor and card kids while they attend the theater;but do we want the alternitive?
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:14 #29758

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6. I went to see it at a nice 16-plex in the next town. The Contender only had
50 people in it for a 7:20 pm show in a 400 seat auditorium. At 10:00 pm I
looked in at the other shows. Meet the parents was packed in a 400 seat
house! I tried to see the 10:00 pm show of The Exorcist but what I saw was
very indicative of the industry right now. All these kids kept sneaking in
in groups of 4,5 or 6. They were really obvious as to what they were doing.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't see a problem with a bunch of 12 and 13 year
old kids seeing The Exorcist, but I knew they would be bored by the movie.
They were just there for the juicy bits. Then the paying public started
showing up and I could tell that they were the paying public because they
were older and had popcorn and drinks and they couldn't find a seat. They
couldn't find a seat because there were at least 25 people in that
auditorium who didn't buy tickets, me included. But I felt bad and left.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:36 #29759

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7. Have you noticed that in Bruce Al and Hollywood Homicide (gag me) that they were both PG-13 yet both use the F*** word? I am a devoted fan of the F word for all its' various nuanced uses but in select audiences. I called Universal and Sony and they say."We can use it a few times in a film without it becoming R." Seems stupid so I'm thinking "How about some full frontal hard core sex scenes that only last 30 seconds? Maybe we can knock that down to a G?" No takers. Anyway; I'm embarrassed seeing kids in there with Bruce using the F word. Is this all to achieve the pg-13? Did they loosen up 13 to get more under its protection?
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:37 #29760

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8. My understanding is that you can use the "F" word one time and get a PG-13, but two or more and its then an "R".
Which is why the wonderful "Planes, Trains and Automobiles" got an R when originally released for the scene is which Steve Martin slams his hand and sceams the F word several times in succession. There was nothing else remotely offensive in this otherwise family oriented film - which was the subject of intense debate as to why John Hughes found it necessary to include the F word and whether Paramount would cave and delete the four offending words. The picture ended up being released intact with the R tag - so that most of the intended audience didn't come.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:38 #29761

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9. I've heard that a filmmaker is allowed 2 "Fs" in a non-sexual context in a PG-13.
"Oh, F***" is ok. You get another one, such as "What a f******* disaster!"

"I'd like to f*** you!" is not ok. That's an automatic R.

I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find exceptions to any of these explanations.

So what were they thinking? Who the f*** knows.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:48 #29762

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10. Just listened to the news last night and heard them talking about an "R" rated pass. Parents of minors are now able to sign passes for their kids as young as 14, the news said, to get into an "R" movie. All they need to do is flash the card at the ticket window, which has their mug shot on it, bingo, they're in. My view is that it underminds the whole rating system and just frees parents of yet one more responsibility.
What are your views on the subject?
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:49 #29763

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11. So whats going to stop kids from making copies of this card, or just taking turns using it at the box office. Bad idea!
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:50 #29764

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13. He said that their mug shot (picture) is on the card. That's what will stop others from using it, as long as the cashier checks the picture. Then again, those darn teenagers all look the same to me.
Seriously though, this is from what I have read, a policy being tried by a theatre circuit not by NATO or the MPAA or anyone having anything to do with the rating system. Bad idea for sure. Just what we need, more teenagers disrupting movies that adults want to enjoy without them. It will just chase more adult patrons away. On second thought, maybe it's not such a bad idea as the adults that are chased away can come to my theatre where we seldom get teenagers anyway.

I know one thing for certain, it will never be used in my theatre.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:51 #29765

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14. There is no LAW that restricts access to R rated movies. Let me say this again: There is no LAW that restricts access to R rated movies. Who would issue these passes? Sounds like just a bad idea that perpetuates the myth that exhibitors are responsible for choosing films for other peoples' kids. Nothing you carry in your wallet makes up for bad parenting. If you have an issue with what movies your kid wants to see, it's YOUR issue. I don't restrict films based on rating. AMELIE was rated R and I let any kid who wanted to see that movie. If an 15 year-old showed up for DREAMERS with mom in tow telling me it's ok with her, it wouldn't be ok with me. The advantage of an NC-17 rating is we can watch a film for adults with ONLY ADULTS in the auditorium. Obviously, not letting an eight year-old in for the latest slasher flick is just common sense (if you can't figure that one out, get a job with no interfacing with the public). Our job is to make product available to the communities we serve. If an exhibitor wants to streamline their boxoffice process and issue cards: Cool. You choose to show a film that you're uncomfortable showing to certain people, you go girl. Make sure they know your cute little cards are meaningless at my theatres.
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Re: The Ratings Game 24 Feb 2005 10:54 #29766

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15. First off, I'm against issuing an "R Card" to underage customers because it's nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt by this particular circuit to avoid any "heat" caused by selling tickets to kids who aren't SUPPOSED to be able to buy them... The card is, at best, PROOF that the kid is buying the ticket with his parent's approval, and this obviously is intended to let the circuit "off the hook" for selling the kid the ticket...
The rating system is NOT the LAW, but was originally set up as a method to AVOID having laws passed, which would attach penalties to selling tickets to kids to see pictures which offended or incensed certain moral, religious, or political groups... It was, and always has been, nothing more than a ploy to allow the studios to make and distribute films which SOME find objectionable... It was a PR move to placate those who were clammering for strict laws regarding the content of film... The VOLUNTARY compliance to the ratings by individual theaters has ALWAYS been sporatic, and certainly not universal... AND the ratings themselves have NOT been applied consistantly, with certain scenes, words, and activities being weighed to rate the film differently from picture to picture...

Sex has been a staple selling point for movies since the dawn of the motion picture... Even in the silent days, those who could proficiently read lips were sometimes shocked and/or amused by what the actors were actually saying, no matter what the title cards indicated... And "blue movies" were around and thriving since the very beginning... Violence and political incorrectness have also played a part, even in such acclaimed masterpieces as "Birth of a Nation."...

The 1930's brought about the Hayes Office and the "code" as a way to placate the demand by SOME to legislate motion picture content, and the Catholic League of Decency, and several other religious groups passed judgement on what was approprate for their members... Some cities, states, and areas had censor boards who had to approve the CUT of the picture that could be shown in their jurisdiction...

The mid to late 1960's was a time of unrest in all areas regarding individual rights and choices, and the movies being made pushed the envelope as to what was acceptable... Ultra liberal and ultra conservative viewpoints fought an ongoing battle over what movies could depict, and the rating system was an attempt by the industry to placate both... Surprizingly, then the "G" rating was the kiss of death to nearly anything other than a Disney picture, because the majority of moviegoers considered "G" pictures to be stictly for the kiddie crowd... The "GP" rating was jokingly considered to include scenes where the kids were to be sent out to the lobby to "get popcorn."... And the "X" rating, which was intended to allow latitude to present some adult viewpoint, storyline, and visuals, completely backfired on the legitimate movie industry when the porno industry took the "X" and made it into "XXX" (ala Pillsbury flour) and laughed up their sleeve all the way to the bank!...

We also went through the slasher movie period, when these half-witted gorefests AIMED directly at the teen "mall rat" crowd, and their 12 year old mentality, were rated "R" which ostensively elimiated THEM from seeing it unless accompanied by a parent... (fat chance!)

So what IS the course to follow here?... I can't speak for YOU, but my position is that I DO NOT actively enforce the VOLUNTARY ratings system... I also do not ENCOURAGE underage attendance of "R" rated pictures, but where that film is aimed at a teenage audience, and parents request that their kid be allowed in without them, I explain to the parent what the picture content is, and consider it to be their business IF they want their kid to see it... I am not it the business of raising their child, THEY are, and as long as he behaves in an appropriate manner while in my theater, I have no objection... I do not go searching for "mall rat" movies, and play only a small selection of the best of them, but IF I do play it, I am not about to turn away the audience it aims for...

I have taken some flak over the years from well-intentioned do-gooders, but that WILTS when I point out that the same film (often an unrated version with more graphic content and additional features) will be available on cable, at the video stores, and even in the Public Library within a few months, and question who will THEN watch over those seeing it... I am running a BUSINESS here, and it depends on selling tickets, in volume... To base my business decisions on someone else's moral judgements is to stick my head in the sand and avoid reality...

As long as you are willing to stand up and be counted, and not hide behind some kind of ploy like the "R" card, I think it's your decision to make... One final note: several years ago, on a very cold night, I had a parent show up at the boxoffice with two grade school aged children and request tickets for them to a picture I considered not appropriate, and I explained why in detail... However, the parents were headed for the bar down the street, and the kids would have been sitting in a cold car outside waiting for the parents unless I allowed them in... I did reluctantly allow them in, and they were little saints, never making any noise or problems... Was I the "bad guy" for doing this?... I don't think so!...

[This message has been edited by outaframe (edited June 04, 2004).]
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