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Restrooms 10 Mar 2004 23:50 #28569

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We are trying to draw out a workable floorplan before we call builders and architects for bids, and need some info on bathrooms. I know there are different rules for each community, but I would assume ours arent extreme as this is a small community without large government intervention.

Current situation- 450 Seats.
Women's room-2 stalls
Mens room- 2 stalls and a urinal.

I know that we will be adding two new bathrooms as the old ones hopefully wont be touched.

We want to add a 100-125 seat auditorium, does anyone have an idea of how many stalls will be needed for each bathroom, enough for just the added screen or enough for both screens? I know these will need to be handicapped accessable, do you think that by adding accessable bathrooms the old ones will be left alone.. the ADA bathrooms would be able to be used by people from either auditorium, they would just be 50 feet from each other.

Also, apx. square footage of each bathroom. Thanks for any information.

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Re: Restrooms 10 Mar 2004 23:52 #28570

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Your building department will tell you how many bathrooms and stalls are required. Your architect should know this as well.
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Re: Restrooms 11 Mar 2004 10:24 #28571

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As Large notes, your local building code and architect are the best ones to determine the minimum requirements. But take a cue from your current situation to decide if you want to offer even better facilities. Are there ever long waiting lines? Bet most of them are for the women's rest room. Consider more stalls in the women's room. Likewise, good lighting and mirrors for "makeup adjustments".

Other amenities are baby changing tables and bottle warmers (if you allow diapered infants).

I personally prefer paper towels to air dryers, but maintenance-wise, you may decide to go with air.



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Re: Restrooms 11 Mar 2004 15:27 #28572

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I’m working out plans for a very small four-plex which will have a total of 200 seats. Code here states 3 women’s RR stalls (one ADA). Men’s room is one urinal, one lav for a place this size. Engineers/architects are not always current on codes. So, if you can get away with one unisex ADA stall and a couple toilets each per RR, it might save you money and space. Code is very specific. Federal code (ADA) always supercedes local codes. So, if a local building department tells you not to worry about the exact measurements of an ADA stall, run like hell to the code book and get ‘em yourself. Right now the building department is telling me the projection booth has to be ADA accessible (in case I wanna hire a handicapped projectionist. I pointed out it’s very difficult to thread a projector from a wheelchair. They said talk to OSHA. I asked if the tops of cell towers are ADA accessible in case a handicapped person what’s to become a tower tech. My engineer suggested I shut the **** up).
Meanwhile, back on topic… This is all interrelated to everything else in the building. There will be code for the dimensions of the RRs. Always err on the side of making the woman’s room too big (As John P. stated). Provide a place to sit that isn’t porcelain. Unless you’re gay or female, you have no idea how to colour, light, or set up a woman’s rest room. Get help before you lock anything in. Make sure you have a janitor’s closet near both rest rooms with water so mopping can happen quickly if needed. Nothing looks quite as classy as rolling a mop and bucket from a RR to behind the snack bar … And in the design stage, it’s easier to put in a janitor’s closet now than later.
Good luck. Think like you’re playing chess: always have a plan-B in case what you wanna do won’t work. Saves trips back to the planning dept.
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Re: Restrooms 11 Mar 2004 17:17 #28573

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Minimum of 2 urinals. We have 3 screens with 160 each and Men has 2 uri and 1 stall: absolutely never too little. Ladies 2 stalls. Gals take longer than guys. An extra stall would not hurt.

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Re: Restrooms 11 Mar 2004 18:45 #28574

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Also, think luxury.

Don't crowd the toilets.
Think about those urinal dividers, I like them.
Do soap, paper towel and waste disposal can at every sink.
For the ladies room a separate in and out door might help.
Room to stand and wait and room to stand and chat.
We put fresh flowers in the restrooms in the futile attempt to garner respect for the room. It doesn't work, but we get nice comments.

Every year in every town the business with the best restroom gets free publicity, the good kind.

You might think of restrooms as a waste of non-revenue space. But good restaurants will tell you that people don't see the kitchens but they see the toilets.
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Re: Restrooms 11 Mar 2004 20:12 #28575

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>>>Always err on the side of making the woman’s room too big <<<

The new Twilight Drive-In near Vancouver BC (replacing the old Hillcrest, RIP 2003) will have space for 400 cars and a whopping 16 stalls in the ladies room!!!!! Good for them, they know that the road to family fun always starts with mom!!!!!

>>>Every year in every town the business with the best restroom gets free publicity, the good kind.<<<

Right On! You can have mediocre food and service, but bad bathrooms spell DOOM for any family service type business.

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Re: Restrooms 11 Mar 2004 21:30 #28576

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Thanks for the replies, and keep them coming. I also would rather err on the side of having at least one more stall than required by law just to be safe and keep the lines moving. We keep our restrooms exceptionally clean as it is, but they are just small (built in 1941). Adding extra stalls in the new ones will help with that problem.

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Re: Restrooms 12 Mar 2004 11:32 #28577

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Also, PLEASE remember Odor control and Noise control! Even the fanciest restroom is tooo much if it stinks or if the deodorant makes it smell like a chemical factory exploded. And no, simply having a dish of lavender buds at each sink won't be enough, though the ladies will like it in their room. Best is to have a GOOD exhaust fan wired to the room lights so that it is on whenever the room could be occupied. You should plan for at least one exhaust vent for each two stalls, AND you MUST have an air intake for the exhausts to work! Sometimes such may be just a grille in the door bottom, but that allows too much noise to get out into the theatre. Better is to plan on another duct from the fresh air supply which should be run through the building a ways to warm the air in the winter. (Be sure to remember both Rodent AND Insect screens on any and all vents!)

If the restrooms open right onto the auditorium or lobby, you will want not only 'modesty screens' inside or outside the doors to prevent regretable sights, but you need to figure for a door/walls heavy enough to stop bathroom sounds (and loud kids) from intruding into the theatre. For this reason you must consider the placement or use of vents/grilles into occupied areas where sounds would be objectionable.

It is a delicate matter to judge just how far away to isolate the restrooms and still close enough for personnel to hear if someone is being raped or attacked (or your fixtures are being smashed!). I'm not being alarmist about the last statement; with today's cinemas haveing multiple screens but no real ushers to 'keep the peace', the possibility of such in larger communities is all too real, as is your corresponding legal liability. Making your restrooms 'pretty' may be to no avail, but making them pleasant and well lit will go a long way to keeping them from becoming dark hangouts, and vigorous ventilation prevents the smoke cloud atmosphere that some miscreants so enjoy. Do make the restrooms nice, but don't encourage 'residency.'

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