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They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 10:52 #24067

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We've been talking to some local people who have contacted us about wanting to work for us at the theatre. I find it unbelievable what they "expect" to make as a "popcorn shoveler" or "ticket sales" position?

Everybody in every position we have will be a "part-time" seasonal employee... but am I nuts to think these positions are worth $8.00 an hour?
Yeah they pay that at McDonalds now for the night shift, but the closest McDonalds to Watertown is 20 miles away!

Hell, the local police officers only make $8.26 an hour!!

I was thinking more along the lines of $5.75 per hour. I mentioned this wage to one of the high school kids who had applied for a job in the kitchen and he said, "Your kidding... right?"

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Stardust Drive-In Theatre
Watertown, Tennessee
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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 13:32 #24068

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What is the "going rate" for part-time entry level food service positions in your area? The late hours at a drive-in often preclude hiring younger workers, especially when school is in session.

What "perks" could you offer --- passes or discounts for family, discount on food, etc.? Is there a career-path (increasing wages/benefits with increasing responsibility) to attract someone to the job?

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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 13:46 #24069

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Interestingly enough... it's only the High School kids who have the "attitude" with the wage. We've had several people in their late 30's to mid-40's, and even a couple of retired folks who've had no problems with that wage.

All of the "perks" you mentioned have been considered, we're just not set on what they will finally be.

The older ones seem just to be looking for something to do away from the house and make a little extra spending cash, while the teenagers expect us to provide enough cash for them to "maintain their lifestyle", and don't mind working as long as it doesn't take away too much of their time.

20 years ago, I made $2.25 an hour at a Dairy Queen and loved the ability just to have a job and make some money. It's a different world we live in now days I guess.



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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 14:20 #24070

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Barry wrote:

"Interestingly enough... it's only the High School kids who have the "attitude" with the wage. We've had several people in their late 30's to mid-40's, and even a couple of retired folks who've had no problems with that wage."

Obviously, hire the older people.
Wal-Mart and Home Depot provide the model. I know you plan on rewarding your best workers, and offering incentives to stay with you as they grow with your business.

When I retire from Kodak (I just turned 55), I'd like to "return to my roots" in theatres (and especially drive-ins).


John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 14:31 #24071

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I take it the DI is coming right along Barry. Let us know when you have your grand opening.

As for the wages, here in Oregon I'm going to have to pay $6.90 as that's the minimum wage in this state.

But be careful about demeaning your help by referring to them as "popcorn shovelers" Barry (you may not verbalize that but if you have that attitude it will show). They can make or break your business by their attitudes and they ARE your public contact people. You want them to do the best possible job of PR they can. And they will as long as you let them know how important and valuable they are.

I believe, in the long run, paying them a better wage will come back to you in additional business because their positive attitudes will cause people to want to return.

Good luck.

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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 16:53 #24072

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When we hire people here in California, we tell them that this is a part time job and we don't pay enough to live on. We pay people enough money to pay for beer or car insurance. (But not both!
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We hire at the California minimum wage and move them up as quickly as possible. Our staff right now earns between $7.00 - $7.75 per hour. Our assistant managers earn from $9.00 to $12.50 per hour.

Be that as it may, we still have a few staff members who try to live on what we pay them. I'm impressed, but not in a positive way. If you are your sole means of support, you can't do it all, working in a movie theatre.
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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 19:18 #24073

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Barry,
Don't give up on the kids. You might be surprised how many applicants that you will have who want to work for the wages that you plan to pay. Yes, you will have to stay within the laws on the hours that they can work but I have found that our crew of 16& 17 year olds is impressive. They have their own personalities and some are better at each task than others but they have done a good job representing our theater to the public. We try to notice when they have done something well and point out areas that they need to work on but the jobs do get done if we make sure to supervise everything. We start at $5.50. While one found a better paying job and left, he re-applied this summer when things didn't work out. He said the atmosphere was better here. I think that word spreads through the other teens whether your theater is a good place to work. We have so many applicants that I can't keep a stack of blank applications available for them. We never throw out an application so that we can contact them even though it has been months since they applied. We also canvas our current workers for recommendations when we have needed to add to staff.

We keep 16 employees on the payroll which sounds like a lot but find that we need that many in order to keep the schedules filled while working around their needs. We have several in sports and other activities which we schedule around. Perhaps that is why our turnover since we took over in January has been so low. I'm losing one to go off to college in a couple weeks and he will be missed. Of course we are going to lose our entire staff in a short 2 year cycle as they graduate from high school and go on to college or other jobs but I think that 2 years is about average for any job so I won't worry about that too much.

We have found that setting up procedures that everyone follows has helped to make things better for everyone. We establish places where tools are supposed to be and then make sure that they get back there. I am still working on the written check off lists of jobs. There is so much to write down but I can sympathize with the big fast food outlets on why they have written procedures and labels for everything. We have had to put masking tape on the counters to mark where each cup size and lids should be placed so that everyone knows which size they are giving out to the customer.

We haven't been blessed with older workers who could seriously work for the wages that we pay. We would love to find older workers but have to be realistic about the low # of hours per week and the low wages. Only someone who loves the business would work her and I am not sure whether they would love being surrounded by teens or not.

Perks are good but sometimes just showing your appreciation is enough to keep good employees. Our employees all get free movies for themselves but they earn passes to give to family or friends by working a certain # of hours. I gave extra passes to every employee who worked during the 3 days we were between ticketing and concessions systems this past month. It took patience and flexibility to deal with having to count every single concession item over and over and selling tickets by hand while we were engaged in wiring and setting up the LAN with our new RTS system. They kept the theater running while we were busy. I had 2 employees who brought me Windows 98 diskettes so that we could get a sick computer on the LAN also. I gave them thanks and a little extra in their paychecks for going the extra mile. This probably sounds too rosy and we do have our issues but our staff have been much better than we expected. I hope that all works out as well for you as well.
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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 28 Jul 2003 20:21 #24074

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You are at min wage a long time in these parts: it's not a job: it's fun! Oh well. Pay what you can!

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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 29 Jul 2003 02:10 #24075

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Right now, all of my workers but one are making minimum wage. They are all popular, well liked, and well mannered high school kids. My 18-year-old manager makes a little more than minimum wage, plus I give him $50 bonuses now and then. He has been a godsend for me. Unfortunately, he graduated this year and is moving away and going to college next month. I would like a few more like him, but I think it will be a long wait until I find another person so conscientious reliable, and knowledgeable.

I'd say find out what the going rate of pay is for other businesses in your area where kids work. If you don't offer something close to that you may have problems in your recruiting/retention efforts. Once your place is up and running and kids see that it is a fun, cool place to work you should have far more applicants than positions.

Being a drive-in though, you may be hampered by child labor laws, like John mentioned. Some of those laws are way too restrictive.
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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 29 Jul 2003 09:46 #24076

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Thanks everyone for your advise. I knew I wasn't totally crazy.

The theatre is coming along great. We're about 3-4 weeks away from the BIG night... Friday August 22nd.

Grading is done.
Screen is done.
Fencing is done (with the exception of the part that got blown down yesterday afternoon).
Concessions/Projection Building.... no quite ready. Actually, the walls are about 4 feet high right now, but it should be under roof and dried in by Friday. They are installing the plumbing and electrical as they go up with the block... it's starting to look amazing.
Here's a picture from about a month ago.

More construction progress photos can be found on-line @ www.stardustdrivein.com (then click "Photos"

Barry Floyd
Floyd Entertainment Group
Lebanon, Tennessee

Stardust Drive-In Theatre
Watertown, Tennessee
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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 30 Jul 2003 12:16 #24077

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Barry,

Try not to post photos that are wider than 525 pixels.
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Re: They want HOW MUCH per hour?? 01 Aug 2003 02:20 #24078

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At the lovely and talented Brookdale 8, we start at about $5.50/hr and move up to $6.00 per hour pretty quickly (2 months). Plus, we give free movies to employees and a 'handful' of friends and family, as long as they're accompanying the employee. Fred can't watch X2 while Francine watches Daddy Day Care. Plus, employees get all the pop and popcorn they care to consume (as long as they provide their own container). Friends/family have to buy soda and corn, but I'm generally pretty flexible on giving them the employee discount ($.50 off candy/nachos and cups if the kids forget theirs).

Compared to some of you guys, we're practically giving away the store when it comes to the 'perks', but since we can't afford to pay anywhere near what most of the places around us are paying, we try to give out as many intangibles as makes sense. Plus, all of us managers (there's three of us) have been known to buy pizza for the crew on busy/hectic days.
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