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Movie Piracy 03 Jun 2003 11:51 #23992

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Paging through the May Issue of Variety I came upon an article about movie piracy in India. Okay, that happens I guess. But as I look further (two more pages) I find another article about piracy in Australia. I guess this is more of an issue then I one time thought. Do we in the states have as big a problem as they seem to be having elsewhere? Any views on the subject?
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Re: Movie Piracy 03 Jun 2003 13:40 #23993

Absolutely! I've talked to investigators who work film piracy cases and it is indeed a problem. They've caught people in theatres with camcorders and some jurisdictions have now made using a camcorder to record a film being shown in a theatre an arrestable offense.

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Re: Movie Piracy 03 Jun 2003 14:22 #23994

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It's a big problem here NYC. You can find any new release film on the streets of this city. Down in Chinatown there are many places you can find these DVD and VHS copies selling from $10.00 for DVD, $5.00 for VHS.
When I go down to Little Italy on the weekends for dinner. You can find all those people working the streets. When they see the police they start running like rats. But most of the times I see the police sitting on their asses, doing nothing.

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Re: Movie Piracy 05 Jun 2003 11:31 #23995

It seems to me that the people who would buy these pirated movies would be in for a big disappointment. I can't see how a copy made with a hand held camcorder would be of any use to anybody. The quality would be terrible I would think.
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Re: Movie Piracy 13 Jun 2003 12:16 #23996

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The quality varies tremendously. Having been part of the Kodak team in the early 1980's that developed "CAP Code" used to trace sources of pirated videos, I have watched many pirated videos. Some are shaky and blurry, with echo-y sound and audience noise. Others are as good as anything you'd find at BlockBuster, with high quality pictures and stereo sound. Blurry or not, if the print had CAP Code, it can be traced.

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Re: Movie Piracy 14 Jun 2003 10:56 #23997

This seems to be as rampant here in the US as the knock off watches that these same street vendors push. The problem stems from people wanting a bargain and some feel that if they can rip off "the man" (the studios) they are doing America a great justice.
When I worked in retail shoplifters stole the strangest things. Razor blade refils and film. One worker asked me why the stole the razors. I told them even if they sell them for $2 a pack it is pure profit for them. I rank people who sneak into movies right up there with these pirates and the people who buy pirated movies a thief is a thief. So if the word would get around to these people who are "bargain hunting" that their purchase of pirated materials only hurts them in the end maybe it will stop.
(but you could never prove it to them because they got "a bargain".
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Re: Movie Piracy 16 Jun 2003 13:18 #23998

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This last weekend I saw more 15 of those street sellers in the Chinatown and along Broadway in Soho. Selling all the new releases. They had DVD's and VHS's of all of them. "Hulk","Finding Nemo", "Fast and the F..2", "Dumb & Dumberer"..... They sell DVD's for $10 and VHS's for $5. And when you do see NYPD getting up off their asses to patrol. (sorry, for that remark) Those sellers are back on the streets selling. But every week you see more and more of those sellers. When the police do come around they run with their little shopping carts like subway rats. It a funny sight.
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Re: Movie Piracy 16 Jun 2003 21:37 #23999

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Those street vendors are usually "small fish" who likely don't know the identity of their suppliers. CAP Code helps track pirated videos back to their source. The original sources and the duplicators are the ones that need to get prosecuted. Likewise anyone putting the films up on the Internet.


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Re: Movie Piracy 21 Jun 2003 06:03 #24000

I understand that nobody likes pirates because they take away business from everybody; however, I wonder to what extent that's true. It has been stated that these people are bargain-hunters. If that is true, the people that buy pirated copies of movies probably do so because they are too cheap to pay the $8.50 (or whatever) to see the thing in the theatres to begin with. Piracy is probably not hurting the first-run theatres very much because the people buying the pirated copies simply would not be going to see the show for full price anyway.
On the other hand, piracy probably really hurts the second- and late-run theatres, whose patrons are also generally pretty thrifty. By targeting the same demographic as these theatres, the street vendors, etc. could be saturating the market for inexpensive movies. The only way to combat a saturated market is to lower prices. Theatres cannot do this easilly. Further, even if they could, they could never compete in a pricing war against thieves--who have little expenses and no overhead. Basically, if these products become more and more readilly available, I think the second-run theatres could face a huge, huge problem.
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