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Re: Are the movies dying? 25 Oct 2005 10:41 #11642

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And this past weekend (Oct 21 to 23) was down an eye-popping 42% from 2003. And that's before you factor in any increase in ticket prices!

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Re: Are the movies dying? 25 Oct 2005 12:39 #11643

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The comparison to NASCAR and other sports venues is not valid, if for no other reason than that one can turn his head away from a particularly blatant or offensive ad in such places, but NOT in a movie house! One comes to a cinema to see the screen and therefore all seats a secured to face it, come what may. With deafening sound now pouring out of ALL the speakers, the CAPTIVE audience has nowhere to turn their heads (to stare at plain, bleak, 'Soundfold' walls?!) and cannot 'turn off' their ears. And whereas an outdoor venue might mitigate the booming blasts of sound from their speakers, such is not the case indoors --and the advertisers salivate at the power to blast both ears and eyes of CAPTIVE customers.

Well, it seems, not customers for long.

If patrons/customers want ads, they can always watch TV, where they expect they will pay for it via endless commercials --but NOT when they go to a movie. Greed always killed the goose that laid the golden egg, and so it is doing so again --with the COOPERATION of the exhibitors!

These days, why ask your friends if they want to go see a movie? Just ask them if they want to go and see some ads? It would be much more truthful, since the movies are often of less artistic than the ads. But then we know that the purpose of the ads is mind control; the movies are just dumb.
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Re: Are the movies dying? 25 Oct 2005 12:41 #11644

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The comparison to NASCAR and other sports venues is not valid, if for no other reason than that one can turn his head away from a particularly blatant or offensive ad in such places, but NOT in a movie house! One comes to a cinema to see the screen and therefore all seats a secured to face it, come what may. With deafening sound now pouring out of ALL the speakers, the CAPTIVE audience has nowhere to turn their heads (to stare at plain, bleak, 'Soundfold' walls?!) and cannot 'turn off' their ears. And whereas an outdoor venue might mitigate the booming blasts of sound from their speakers, such is not the case indoors --and the advertisers salivate at the power to blast both ears and eyes of CAPTIVE customers.

Well, it seems, not customers for long.

If patrons/customers want ads, they can always watch TV, where they expect they will pay for it via endless commercials --but NOT when they go to a movie. Greed always killed the goose that laid the golden egg, and so it is doing so again --with the COOPERATION of the exhibitors!

These days, why ask your friends if they want to go see a movie? Just ask them if they want to go and see some ads? It would be much more truthful, since the movies are often of less artistic than the ads. But then we know that the purpose of the ads is mind control; the movies are just dumb.
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Re: Are the movies dying? 26 Nov 2005 00:48 #11645

The news that Harry Potter made 101.4 million in its first weekend (which started with a Friday) must be somewhat relieving.

Is that an American number? American/Canadian? Worldwide?
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Re: Are the movies dying? 26 Nov 2005 09:14 #11646

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that certainly is good news, but I know I would be much more relieved to see three $40M openings then the $101 for HP4 and the meager $15M openings everything else has been getting lately. We've talked about this before where movies are not being a regular thing anymore but an event. People are asking themselves if they want to go through the added expense and hassle of going to a movie rather then just waiting ninety days (or less, sometimes) to rent it.

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Re: Are the movies dying? 26 Nov 2005 17:08 #11647

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I don't go by what the films gross but by how we are doing. I know that with Chick Little-Harry-Cash on 3 screens and our Xmas free film series going we are jamming.

At our 2 screen we had our single best day ever on Friday with Cash-Harry.

Dying? no way. Changing I will accept.

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Re: Are the movies dying? 01 Dec 2005 12:31 #11648

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The disturbing news in the midst of the Harry Potter juggernaut is that virtually every other picture released in November either outright died or was underperforming.

What I have repeatedly said is reinforced ..... people are now only going to one or two movies per year (the blockbusters that need to be seen on the big screen) while they wait for video for everything else.

What makes a successful smaller market theatre is repeated cleintele week after week. The feast or famine business model does not work in the smaller markets.
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Re: Are the movies dying? 09 Dec 2005 00:51 #11649

My last post about all the crappy movies this year got me thinking.

We're 24 days away from finishing the worst year of crapolla product from Hollywood.

As we look ahead to 2006, some titles look promising, including "Scary Movie 4" and "Pirates of the Caribean: Dead Man's Chest".

I have a hunch the BIG, BIG, BIG film of 2006 is goign to be "Pirates". It was such a smash surprise hit, and now everyone that saw it in the first place HAS to see the sequel.

*Fingers crossed*

What do you think?
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Re: Are the movies dying? 09 Dec 2005 21:38 #11650

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Have you seen the previews...I am afraid were in for another dreadful year!
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Re: Are the movies dying? 13 Dec 2005 16:32 #11651

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/13/051213173239.bo5ciosh.html

Plummeting 2005 box office sparks Hollywood crisis

Even a much-hyped giant gorilla, a geisha and a schoolboy magician won't
be able to create a happy ending at the US box office, as Hollywood ends
its most disappointing year in nearly two decades. Plunging movie ticket
sales, after a string of uninspiring remakes and movie sequels coupled
with an explosion of the DVD and video game markets, are keeping
audiences at home and have sent Hollywood into a deep existential crisis.

"This industry is facing significant challenges said Jack Kyser, chief economist of the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp, a business support and research body.
Ticket sale revenues dropped five percent in the first 11 months of 2005 while the number of Americans going to the cinema fell by 6.2 percent compared with the same period in 2004, according to box office trackers Exhibitor Relations Co Inc.

The result is Tinseltown's most disappointing box office performance in 15 years as audiences, dazzled by their entertainment choices and disappointed by the mediocre films on offer, turned away from the cinema in droves.

Even the late November and December releases of blockbusters "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," "King Kong", "Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe" and "Memoirs of a Geisha" are unlikely to turn around the downward trend.

"It's not just a slump in box office, but also in sales of DVDs," Kyser told AFP. "This is mainly because of unattractive movies that don't appeal to young male audiences, the cost of movie tickets, parking, the shrinking window a movie's theatrical and DVD releases.
In addition, Hollywood faces a major external threat: runaway production costs, the growing trend of movie producers to shoot in places such as Canada, Australia and New Zealand to cash in on much lower staff and production charges.

"Some studios are doing some moderate lay offs. LA's future is at stake," Kyser said, demonstrating the depth of despair in the nine-billion-dollar a year industry.
Industry movers are battling to isolate the true causes of the slump, crossing their fingers that the big-budget money-spinners up Hollywood's sleeve will help ease the pain.

"Is it the movies? Is it the ticket prices? Is it because home theater and DVD?," pondered Exhibitor Relations Co's chief Paul Dergarabedian."I think is it because all this happening at the same time, it is a combination of facts."
But he was optimistic for the future of the industry, saying that when Hollywood does dish up a good film, audiences still go rushing to see it.

"'Harry Potter' is showing that people still want to go to the movies but still they need a good reason to go," Dergarabedian told AFP.
The fourth film of JK Rowling's cult novels opened on November 18 and has so far raked in 244 million dollars, making it second most successful film of 2005, behind "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith".
"When a good movie strikes, people go to the theatres," said Dergarabedian.

The last in the "Star Wars" series raked in a whopping 380 million dollars in North American box office, "War of the Worlds," starring Tom Cruise took 234 million, the comedy "Wedding Crashers" notched up 208 million in ticket receipts and Tim Burton's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" took 206 million.

But the successes were few and far between in 2005.
Ron Howard's 88-million-dollar biopic "Cinderella Man," starring Oscar winners Russell Crowe and Renee Zellweger, took only 61 million dollars, while Ridley Scott's crusade epic "Kingdom of Heaven," which cost 130 million dollars to make, reaped only 47 million at the all-important domestic the box office.
Other fizzlers that did not recoup their budgets included the much-touted sci-fi flop "The Island," which hauled in only 35 million dollars, while Jamie Foxx's military drama "Stealth" bombed with a US and Canadian haul of 31 million dollars. It quickly disappeared from screens.

"Movie goers are very picky and they want the price of the ticket to be worthwhile, the studios had to offer more," said Gitesh Pandya of movie industry tracker Box Office Guru.
"There should be more creativity and new ideas, not just sequels and remake. Let's hope Hollywood listens to the audiences," he added.

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Re: Are the movies dying? 13 Dec 2005 19:26 #11652

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I guess this just underscores what we've been bemoaning for months now. People go see the blockbusters but haven't been coming to the "regular" movies. I think the shortened window coupled with the arrival of other forms of competition has effectively "raised the bar" with respect to movie quality. Unfortunately, Hollywood is slow to react to these trends as they tend to be slow to react to most trends.....
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Re: Are the movies dying? 13 Dec 2005 21:54 #11653

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Plus the time it takes from getting a movie green lighted, shot, edited and then released. I agree the bar has been raised as to what the average movie goer thinks they want or need to see at a theatre anymore. In our market other than top notch family/animated movies. Our money this year was made with Star Wars, War of the Worlds, and Harry Potter. And they for the most part were done after 2 weeks. There were a few that made a couple of bucks in the first week like Batman Begins. And the two R rated surprises Wedding Crashers and 40 Year Old Virgin. Most of the rest this year we played were dull in quality and attendance.
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