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Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 02 Jun 2004 09:01 #8365

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Just listened to the news last night and heard them talking about an "R" rated pass. Parents of minors are now able to sign passes for their kids as young as 14, the news said, to get into an "R" movie. All they need to do is flash the card at the ticket window, which has their mug shot on it, bingo, they're in. My view is that it underminds the whole rating system and just frees parents of yet one more responsibility.
What are your views on the subject?
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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 02 Jun 2004 09:05 #8366

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So whats going to stop kids from making copies of this card, or just taking turns using it at the box office. Bad idea!
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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 02 Jun 2004 23:27 #8367

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He said that their mug shot (picture) is on the card. That's what will stop others from using it, as long as the cashier checks the picture. Then again, those darn teenagers all look the same to me.

Seriously though, this is from what I have read, a policy being tried by a theatre circuit not by NATO or the MPAA or anyone having anything to do with the rating system. Bad idea for sure. Just what we need, more teenagers disrupting movies that adults want to enjoy without them. It will just chase more adult patrons away. On second thought, maybe it's not such a bad idea as the adults that are chased away can come to my theatre where we seldom get teenagers anyway.

I know one thing for certain, it will never be used in my theatre.
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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 03 Jun 2004 12:35 #8368

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There is no LAW that restricts access to R rated movies. Let me say this again: There is no LAW that restricts access to R rated movies. Who would issue these passes? Sounds like just a bad idea that perpetuates the myth that exhibitors are responsible for choosing films for other peoples' kids. Nothing you carry in your wallet makes up for bad parenting. If you have an issue with what movies your kid wants to see, it's YOUR issue. I don't restrict films based on rating. AMELIE was rated R and I let any kid who wanted to see that movie. If an 15 year-old showed up for DREAMERS with mom in tow telling me it's ok with her, it wouldn't be ok with me. The advantage of an NC-17 rating is we can watch a film for adults with ONLY ADULTS in the auditorium. Obviously, not letting an eight year-old in for the latest slasher flick is just common sense (if you can't figure that one out, get a job with no interfacing with the public). Our job is to make product available to the communities we serve. If an exhibitor wants to streamline their boxoffice process and issue cards: Cool. You choose to show a film that you're uncomfortable showing to certain people, you go girl. Make sure they know your cute little cards are meaningless at my theatres.
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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 03 Jun 2004 12:44 #8369

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Roxy, sorry I didnt see that the mugshot was going to be on it. I need to start reading a little slower.
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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 03 Jun 2004 16:43 #8370

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First off, I'm against issuing an "R Card" to underage customers because it's nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt by this particular circuit to avoid any "heat" caused by selling tickets to kids who aren't SUPPOSED to be able to buy them... The card is, at best, PROOF that the kid is buying the ticket with his parent's approval, and this obviously is intended to let the circuit "off the hook" for selling the kid the ticket...

The rating system is NOT the LAW, but was originally set up as a method to AVOID having laws passed, which would attach penalties to selling tickets to kids to see pictures which offended or incensed certain moral, religious, or political groups... It was, and always has been, nothing more than a ploy to allow the studios to make and distribute films which SOME find objectionable... It was a PR move to placate those who were clammering for strict laws regarding the content of film... The VOLUNTARY compliance to the ratings by individual theaters has ALWAYS been sporatic, and certainly not universal... AND the ratings themselves have NOT been applied consistantly, with certain scenes, words, and activities being weighed to rate the film differently from picture to picture...

Sex has been a staple selling point for movies since the dawn of the motion picture... Even in the silent days, those who could proficiently read lips were sometimes shocked and/or amused by what the actors were actually saying, no matter what the title cards indicated... And "blue movies" were around and thriving since the very beginning... Violence and political incorrectness have also played a part, even in such acclaimed masterpieces as "Birth of a Nation."...

The 1930's brought about the Hayes Office and the "code" as a way to placate the demand by SOME to legislate motion picture content, and the Catholic League of Decency, and several other religious groups passed judgement on what was approprate for their members... Some cities, states, and areas had censor boards who had to approve the CUT of the picture that could be shown in their jurisdiction...

The mid to late 1960's was a time of unrest in all areas regarding individual rights and choices, and the movies being made pushed the envelope as to what was acceptable... Ultra liberal and ultra conservative viewpoints fought an ongoing battle over what movies could depict, and the rating system was an attempt by the industry to placate both... Surprizingly, then the "G" rating was the kiss of death to nearly anything other than a Disney picture, because the majority of moviegoers considered "G" pictures to be stictly for the kiddie crowd... The "GP" rating was jokingly considered to include scenes where the kids were to be sent out to the lobby to "get popcorn."... And the "X" rating, which was intended to allow latitude to present some adult viewpoint, storyline, and visuals, completely backfired on the legitimate movie industry when the porno industry took the "X" and made it into "XXX" (ala Pillsbury flour) and laughed up their sleeve all the way to the bank!...

We also went through the slasher movie period, when these half-witted gorefests AIMED directly at the teen "mall rat" crowd, and their 12 year old mentality, were rated "R" which ostensively elimiated THEM from seeing it unless accompanied by a parent... (fat chance!)

So what IS the course to follow here?... I can't speak for YOU, but my position is that I DO NOT actively enforce the VOLUNTARY ratings system... I also do not ENCOURAGE underage attendance of "R" rated pictures, but where that film is aimed at a teenage audience, and parents request that their kid be allowed in without them, I explain to the parent what the picture content is, and consider it to be their business IF they want their kid to see it... I am not it the business of raising their child, THEY are, and as long as he behaves in an appropriate manner while in my theater, I have no objection... I do not go searching for "mall rat" movies, and play only a small selection of the best of them, but IF I do play it, I am not about to turn away the audience it aims for...

I have taken some flak over the years from well-intentioned do-gooders, but that WILTS when I point out that the same film (often an unrated version with more graphic content and additional features) will be available on cable, at the video stores, and even in the Public Library within a few months, and question who will THEN watch over those seeing it... I am running a BUSINESS here, and it depends on selling tickets, in volume... To base my business decisions on someone else's moral judgements is to stick my head in the sand and avoid reality...

As long as you are willing to stand up and be counted, and not hide behind some kind of ploy like the "R" card, I think it's your decision to make... One final note: several years ago, on a very cold night, I had a parent show up at the boxoffice with two grade school aged children and request tickets for them to a picture I considered not appropriate, and I explained why in detail... However, the parents were headed for the bar down the street, and the kids would have been sitting in a cold car outside waiting for the parents unless I allowed them in... I did reluctantly allow them in, and they were little saints, never making any noise or problems... Was I the "bad guy" for doing this?... I don't think so!...




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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 04 Jun 2004 08:12 #8371

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Outaframe, you give an excellent statement of the sad state of affairs with respect to the ratings and how they are enforced, or not, as the individual theatre's case might be. I am not an exhibitor, but I have always felt sorry for the businessmen who are presumed to have to police the attendance of kids of all ages at a cinema. A guns merchant must be expected to limit sales of his wares to restrict minors, but you are merely renting a vision on a screen (or more often, a deafening volume in the ears due to "pumped-up" soundtracks). YES, it IS DEFINITELY the parents' responsibility and it is sad that our society has degenerated to the point that it both makes films unsuitable for kids in the 'adult' sense, and that parents would rather put their kids into a freezing cage of a car while they act irresponsibly in a tavern than accompany them to a film suitable for the whole family. It reminds me of the Scriptures in the Bible at 1Timothy 3:1-5 foretelling the nature of our day and age! We can be thankful that God will not always be putting up with this conduct; there is a terrible penalty coming from Him for such ones.

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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 04 Jun 2004 14:16 #8372

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Maybe I missed it... but who is the "THEY" that are doing this?
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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 04 Jun 2004 15:58 #8373

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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 06 Jun 2004 09:30 #8374

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike Spaeth:
Kerasotes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

NOT Kerasotes, it is GKC, which stands for George Kerasotes Cinemas, but there are TWO Kerasotes chains. GKC is the smaller of the two, and the more adventurous (in this regard at least).

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Re: Pass Through To The "R" Rated Movie. 06 Jun 2004 09:31 #8375

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike Spaeth:
Kerasotes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

NOT Kerasotes, it is GKC, which stands for George Kerasotes Cinemas, but there are TWO Kerasotes chains. GKC is the smaller of the two, and the more adventurous (in this regard at least).

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