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sprinkler supply rates 30 Dec 2003 18:07 #7134

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We pay almost 2000.00 per year for the sprinler hook up. Does anyone else pay something like this? Is there any technical way around that charge?

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Re: sprinkler supply rates 02 Jan 2004 23:42 #7135

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Say what??? I don't understand.
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Re: sprinkler supply rates 05 Jan 2004 09:28 #7136

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Mike: Are you saying you pay for service / extra water supply for a sprinker system for fire control? Who do you pay $2000 to? What services do you get for that fee? Is it required by law?

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Re: sprinkler supply rates 05 Jan 2004 12:50 #7137

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Yes.... there is a 6" main that goes direct to our sprinkler valve: it's a big fat mother! The "dry" system valve works like this: your entire sprink system is filled with compressed air held at a certain pressure by a compressor. There is enough air pressure to hold the sprinler main valve from opening and flooding the system except it won't flood the system as long as your spink heads are intact: water only can go where there is a place for it to come out. In a fire only the sprink heads that burst from heat allow water to pour out. So you can have a small fire in A but water will not pour all over B. The water company charges for all that 6" of main line to stand by. Almost 2000.00 per year. How much does your fire sprink sys cost you? Unless in a mall or a lease when you would not know about it as it's inclusive in the rental.

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Re: sprinkler supply rates 05 Jan 2004 17:59 #7138

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Boy, Mike, at $2000/year you are indeed paying dearly for fire protection that will probably never be needed! But if the local ordinances (usually drawn up back at the turn of the century in response to the tragic Iroquis Theatre fire in Chicago) won't budge, you may be out of luck. Can you persuade the local powers to either vacate the ordinance for cinemas or to give you a varience? Remind then that the old ordinances resulted from the old 'explosive' nitrate film which is long gone now, as well as flame lighting gone even longer! The National Fire Protection Assoc. has a web site and a section/committee on theatre safety; maybe their data can be of help (theatre fires are very rare nowadays!)

The only other idea I have might be workable if the law there allows, and you have the space: build a water tower to hold enough to drench the theatre via its current system, after which you would disconnect from the city's fire system, of course and no longer pay the fee. Yes, it is expensive, but at 2K yearly, it might not be too long before you amortized it!! If the steel structure at your place is sound and hefty as they were years ago, it might be possible to build such a tank on the roof, but the city will require a signed engineer's statement and drawing for that permit. Boy, this is one sad expense most exhibitors don't know about -- or at least talk about. BEST WISHES!! Jim

P.S. Don't laugh or sneer at this last resort idea just yet; 50 years ago and more this was the standard way many places protected themselves, until money-hungry cities figured out how to create this new fund raiser of sprinkler water without increasing taxes. Another reason that those businesses that can are moving overseas.

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Re: sprinkler supply rates 06 Jan 2004 13:11 #7139

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The joke is that Mike is the mayor of his town. I'll bet he could get the fire chief to take him to lunch and explain it to him. I would also ask other businesses around how much they are paying.

Our theatre doesn't have a sprinkler system, so if we have a fire, everybody dies.

My house has a sprinkler system that is mandated by the new building code. There was no extra charge to hook-up. I believe that my hook-up is to my regular supply. I'm sure that the sprinkler system and any charge to hook-up were passed on to my quite high housing costs. The upside is that my home insurance costs are laughably low.

The water rates in my town are among the highest in the country, so I’m sure they are getting paid somehow. I pay about $75 per month for water and sewer. The theatre’s bill last month was $350, that’s a lot of coke and piss. It was a slow month we have paid $700 for water and sewer in the past.
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Re: sprinkler supply rates 07 Jan 2004 02:07 #7140

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My theatre's water & sewer bill is always less than $25! If I took the tarps off the corner of my building I'd have sprinklers when it rained. The insurance adjuster is giving me problems--which my agent is now trying to resolve.
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Re: sprinkler supply rates 07 Jan 2004 10:31 #7141

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Yep; I'm the Mayor and the water is a muni company. But is there any graft or freebies for the Mayor? Nope.

I'm thinking about the tower; in NYC you see those all over the the roofline. Probably because of just this sort of thing.

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