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Cretors Giant problem??????????? 28 Nov 2005 14:01 #11345

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I have a question for anyone that is using a Cretors unit with the BIB warmer unit. Any ideas, other than using a space heater, to keep the lines from freezing (hardening) prior to startup? We use coconut oil bag in the box, not canola oil. It usually takes around 15-20 to get the coconut oil in the lines to melt using a space heater. I do not want to switch oils or switch to the drum.
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 28 Nov 2005 14:48 #11346

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Would heat tape be allowed by your fire code, or would it be considered a fire hazard on a pipe containing a flammable substance (oil)?
http://www.keidel.com/resource/diy/thaw-tape.htm

Also, heating the oil line may make the oil turn rancid faster.



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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 28 Nov 2005 15:21 #11347

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Our quick trick is to use a portable hair dryer directed on the lines. Works fairly quickly.
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 28 Nov 2005 16:03 #11348

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We have a floor model Gold Medal popper that suffers from the very same problem. Our theatre being a drive-in with walk-up concessions windows, the cold air blowing in the windows puts the "freeze" on the pop corn machine.

We also have a BIB Coconut oil pump and heater system in the base of the popper, but the small amount of heat it produces is not enought to compensate for the cold air that blows in from outside. We tried the hair drier method, and it does work, however we have had more luck with a small portable space heater. Got to watch the heat though. It seems on our popper, the frozen oil inside the "in-line oil filters" will expand faster than the filters do when heated, and make a mess of leaking oil in the bottom of the cabinet.

Over the winter, I'm going to line the inside of the stainless steel cabinet with foil-backed styrofoam used to sheath houses, and hopefully insulate the cabinet enough to prevent further freeze-ups.

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Stardust Drive-In Theatre
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 28 Nov 2005 17:42 #11349

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I have seen people use a bulb in the cabinet which seems to produce enough heat to stay above 70 degrees.
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 28 Nov 2005 19:46 #11350

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wimovieman- good idea, however... the stand that the cretor uses has no panels to contain the heat. but, i guess i could box it in.

john- i had considered using heat-tape, but i never got around to checking the actual temp that the tape maintains. i don't think we would violate any fire code doing the tape trick. thanks for the advise. poor design from cretor on the popper stand. they should have devised insertable panels to "box" in the bib warmer. its framed out, and could be easily boxed in.
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 29 Nov 2005 09:36 #11351

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We have a new Cretors cabinet, with the BIB option. Believe it or not it is enclosed. We even splurged for the line warmers to try to combat that very problem. Unfortunately, it doesn't really work. We have to leave the 'pump' switch on to keep the oil liquid in the winter. I purchased a heat gun to get lines unfrozen quickly if the switch gets turned off, but you have to be careful, as it produces high heat. Never let it blow on one spot for too long, keep it moving. But it does free the lines fast.

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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 29 Nov 2005 12:34 #11352

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We have a President and a Diplomat at our place. Both have the same BIB warmer/pump assembly. We leave ours on throughout the full-time season. We have to remember to turn them on by Thursday in order to get the system warmed up by Friday. We also have the little heater lines that fit into the metal goosenecks. The system probably wouldn't work at all without them.

Still... it takes forever to heat those boxes, so I got one of their 5-box warmers. It heats the boxes much faster & keeps replacements ready.

We put a small space heater in front of the open BIB door on those days when we don't get the warmers turned on early enough.

I also have to change out the tubing every couple of years, as the stuff gets hard as a rock & eventually cracks. There's got to be an answer for that, but I haven't found it yet.

The whole thing is a pain in the neck... especially when you have to mess with it in the middle of a rush... Still, it's better than the old coconut pails were... I think?
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 29 Nov 2005 23:11 #11353

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We have the BIB warmer unit and leave it on 24/7. Its the line that freezes up. Are the line warmers just heat tape, same as used in heating pipes? I contacted Cretors pertaining to the problem, but have not received any info.
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 02 Dec 2005 16:47 #11354

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On my Gold Medal popper, the metal tube that runs up the inside of the glass cabinet to the kettle IS wrapped in some form of heat tape. It's hidden behind some corner trimwork, but last winter wile I was cleaning the machine, I took off that cover plate just to see how it worked. Our problem is never with the metal tubing, only the clear flexible lines that go from the BIB to the pump and from the pump to the metal tube on the bottom of the glass cabinet.
Barry Floyd
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Re: Cretors Giant problem??????????? 02 Dec 2005 18:23 #11355

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Out of all of the ideas, and we do not have this problem with our Diplomat which we love, I like the small light bulb idea the best. It can be put on a timer and a 40w bulb will let off an amazing amount of heat in a small area. Long ago when I had a tempermental Mercedes I used to leave a 40w light bulb near the carb during winter nights of 10 below and that was the trick. Timers are better than staff: they actually remember to do what they are told!

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